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. you can imagine, martha, if there were a change at the top, if kathleen sebelius was fired, he would be left with a vacancy at top of hhs and a long drawn-out confirmation battle. >> matthew dowd, let's turn to you, it sounds for policy reasons and efficiency reasons, perhaps, they shouldn't have any heads rolling right now, but the optics of this are so bad. >> to rebuild trust is to bring new people in. to me this presidency and actually the last presidency that i was involved in with the elections they have done a great job of delegation but they haven't a great job of the second half of a mba person which is accountability. to enforce accountability is to bring in new people when something like this happens. i think at some point, the president needs to demonstrate, i can delegate things but i can also hold accountable people. when things are messed up. >> david plouffe, is that what you would do? >> i think they're in triage as jonathan said. once the website gets fixed, what do i need to have confidence going forward to implement this law? not only in the comes months, but the
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